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Aveo header with pics!
Ok so I ordered the Aveo header from xiaogary and lemme tell you that this works great!
The installation is pretty straightfoward. You will need to buy new bolts to connect the collector of the header with the flange of the flex pipe, as they both have holes for bolts oddly enough, a slight oversight in the design of the header. Keep in mind that the header was made in Singapore, which means that theyre emissions system might be different. (I.E. no cat?) Which might explain the holes....I highly recommend that you get the O2 sensor extension so you wont get a CEL.
I also recommend wraping the header with exhaust wrap because you cannot use the stock heat shield on these headers.
Anyway, here are the pics.
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So do you have a cat on it or not?
Just a comment... Be cautious with the materials and welds, I'd reccomend checking the metal and welds at least once a month for a year before saying it's good to get... I say that mainly because it is made in Singapore and they don't care much for quality cause cars there are a dime a dozen cheap ass crappers. The best OEM materials for high heat stuff: iron, steel or aluminum... The best aftermarket materials: Stainless steel, specifically 304 on the cheaper end or 321 on the better stuff. By the way that looks it's probably aluminum, which is OK depending on how thick it is, but it does discolor over time. In other words make sure you check out the welds every so often...
Also a bigger question for me, I'm terrified of hydrolocking the engine with that AEM CAI, how did you get that bypass in there? Does it come stock or do you have to cut it?
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setup is looking great =)
liking the blacked out headlight housing too.
i have this header too and yes you are right it does run mighty fine and pulls a lot harder
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Originally Posted by g0ast
So do you have a cat on it or not?
Just a comment... Be cautious with the materials and welds, I'd reccomend checking the metal and welds at least once a month for a year before saying it's good to get... I say that mainly because it is made in Singapore and they don't care much for quality cause cars there are a dime a dozen cheap ass crappers. The best OEM materials for high heat stuff: iron, steel or aluminum... The best aftermarket materials: Stainless steel, specifically 304 on the cheaper end or 321 on the better stuff. By the way that looks it's probably aluminum, which is OK depending on how thick it is, but it does discolor over time. In other words make sure you check out the welds every so often...
Also a bigger question for me, I'm terrified of hydrolocking the engine with that AEM CAI, how did you get that bypass in there? Does it come stock or do you have to cut it?
I dont have the cat in.
I bought the AEM bypass valve, it uses the 2.5'' size. I had to cut it using a cutting guide, It is a little difficult to get the intake to line up after you install the bypass valve. What i did to make it easier was remove the nut holding the bracket that is held by the rubber spacer and just use the spacer to tie down teh bracket. I hope you understood that, if not, i can take a picture.
What should i be checking for in the welds? holes or something? im just glad i actually HAVE a header, no one else makes one.
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Originally Posted by khan4rtist
What should i be checking for in the welds? holes or something? im just glad i actually HAVE a header, no one else makes one.
It depends on how good the welds are made. The biggest weakness of welds is the shrinking/expanding of the metal when it heats up, the weld material if it's different from the header material, could expand or contract at a different rate which causes it to crack and fail, all that would really do is leak some exhaust out of the crack which decreases efficiency and could pose a threat to things nearby (leaking hot gas is like a jet, it could melt stuff), plus the look of smoke coming out of the engine bay never looks good. Over time that crack could expand and make the whole weld fail, disconnecting the weld from the material.
The main test is just looking to see if any smoke is coming out when it's on I believe. The bigger problem for you might be not having a cat at all, emissions just fly out the window without it, and if you're really worried about performance, there are performance cats that work just as well but don't decrease efficiency, and because the headers don't fit the cat in it's old place, you might be able to get an attachment fabricated to fit the old cat further down the piping, instead of where it used to be.
Although the performance difference without a cat is good, usually about 15-30hp gained.
And if you wouldn't mind I'd like to see a pic of the CAI to see what you mean.
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Originally Posted by g0ast
Although the performance difference without a cat is good, usually about 15-30hp gained.
Assuming you are talking wheel horse power 15-30hp is not a typical gain.
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15-30hp (not wheel) might be the gain on a car making 200+ hp.. a turbo benefits more from the lack of a cat. but honestly, even without a cat, our cars will run cleaner than a new mid 80's carbed car with all their emission equipment intact would have.
an easy way to check for cracks is to start the car while the engine and exhaust are still cold. and run your hand over the pipes and feel for "blowing" make sure the car is cold, and the header will only take a minute warm to the touch, so don't burn yourself! if anything on the header will crack, it will be either against the head flange or at the collector. collector is most likely, as even good expensive headers will crack there.
the quality of parts from that part of the world are higher when they build the parts for themselves. the USA is the only country on the planet that view cars as disposable. And the companies from the united states that outsource to these coutries are the ones who hold low standards, not the countries themselves.
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i could care less for emissions, i just hope my header doesnt crack
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it looks like it is fully seem welded. so i dont think it will crack to easily. typically, the cheap stuff that come out of taiwan is flared inside the flange, and then tacked in a few places..
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I can garantee it will not crack, I have been using one for 2 years on my own aveo.
Anyway, for those people who thinks owning cars in Singapore is cheap, it is not. I bought my aveo at a price of $38US dollar. Yes. Its $38US. Or $55k Sing dollar. And for $55k sing in Singapore, we can only use the car for 10 years. After 10 years, we have to pay another amount of money (COE by bidding depends on market rate by then) at least $10-20K sing dollar to be able to reuse or continue using for another 10 years.
We need to pay abt 270% tax to buy a car. Meaning, if the car is $10KUS, we have to pay another $27K tax to the government. Then we have to buy a COE (car ownership entitlement cert) which allow us to drive the car for 10 years. The purchase COE is by bidding system (2 times eveyr month), it used to be $100+k for 10 years COE back in 1990s (a simple Honda Civic or Honda Acura usa called it can cost abt $80-90US dollar in total majority which goes to tax), but recent 3-4 years, it had dropped to $10-20K COE price. My COE is abt $15k US. My aveo is abt $6-7k US when I bought it. OMV of $9k sing.
On top of all these taxes, we have to pay yearly insurance abt $1.5k US insurance and $600US (for 1.6 liters and below) yearly road tax to continue using the car.
Parking fee is also abt $60-200US depending on where you stay per month.
Using congested road, we have Electronic Road Pricing which a device deduct money from a cash card, each time we past by the gantry during peak hours can be $2-3 dollars US. Sometimes we have to pass by 5-6 gantries to go to work.
Petrol is abt $1.50 US dollar for 98 octance.
So how is it compared to US? Haha...
Thats the reason why we can afford to throw so many modification worth so much money into the car, because we only owns one car only and changing car in singapore is expensive. So people tends to take tender loving care for their cars, using top quality engine oil and quality parts for the cars.
Hope I gave you a good intro to Singapore.
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Anyway, hope you enjoy the additional horses release and smoothness without the cat.
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Originally Posted by xiaogary
Anyway, for those people who thinks owning cars in Singapore is cheap, it is not. I bought my aveo at a price of $38US dollar. Yes. Its $38US.
did you mean to put a K in there? your tax rates are insane, what are labor rates like?
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Your gas prices are cheaper then the US! :lol: And actually your insurance rates are about the same as Americans with a "not-so-good" record. The parking price is about the same in major US cities and so are your tolls, or what you call gantry. So really the only difference from both of sinapore and here is how much you pay for the car itself and your licensing (still a huge piece though).
Oh and the header looks great. I think I might have to get one sometime in the next few months
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unlike the Americans and the British, the rest of the world measures liquid quantities in liters. one US gallon is 3.79 liters. Therefore he pays about $5.70/gallon. Just thought I might clear things up a little.
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Originally Posted by ontarian_frog
unlike the Americans and the British, the rest of the world measures liquid quantities in liters. one US gallon is 3.79 liters. Therefore he pays about $5.70/gallon. Just thought I might clear things up a little.
he said 98 octane too though...
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I know for a fact that the British octane measurement is different from American's. Their 98 is our 91-92
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Originally Posted by loose
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Originally Posted by ontarian_frog
unlike the Americans and the British, the rest of the world measures liquid quantities in liters. one US gallon is 3.79 liters. Therefore he pays about $5.70/gallon. Just thought I might clear things up a little.
he said 98 octane too though...
Octane ratings in North America differ from the ratings World Wide also. In The US and Canada the octane is rated in AKI (An Average of RON and MON) where as most of the rest of the world is in RON (Research Octane Number). In short, 98 octane in Singapore is the same as 93 octane here in North America. Right now, 93 octane here is about $0.75USD/L. or about 2.84/gallon.
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lol this thread is not about the header at all anymore :-P
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Ops, I am sorry abt that. Maybe I am too enthusiatic to share my country with you. Haha. Anyway, I had a nice stay here. And will continue to stay here.
Labour rates are expensive (abt $25US per hour), that is why a lot of car owners drive up north through a 1.5km bridge to Johor Bahru (Malaysia) to service their car. The labour rate there is way cheaper. Our (not educated) mechanic here earns abt $800US a month. A Malaysian mechanic (not educated also) earns abt $400US a month. So naturally, servicing there will be cheaper. A university grad here starting salary is abt $2-2.5kUS.
Back to the headers. Haha.
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Originally Posted by xiaogary
Ops, I am sorry abt that. Maybe I am too enthusiatic to share my country with you. Haha. Anyway, I had a nice stay here. And will continue to stay here.
Labour rates are expensive (abt $25US per hour), that is why a lot of car owners drive up north through a 1.5km bridge to Johor Bahru (Malaysia) to service their car. The labour rate there is way cheaper. Our (not educated) mechanic here earns abt $800US a month. A Malaysian mechanic (not educated also) earns abt $400US a month. So naturally, servicing there will be cheaper. A university grad here starting salary is abt $2-2.5kUS.
Back to the headers. Haha.
Wow I wish we had labor rates of $25/hr! A dealership usually charges $75-$95 an hour, and independent garages anywhere from $40-$60 on average....
Oh and I love HEADers...
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those are looking good. Im sure you have nothing to worry about with the quality. You cant generalize the workmanship of an entire nation.
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i meant wage rate. your prices seems, comparable or higher to the US, how are people in general paid? is there a min wage?
is there a header for sale?
and the country is not what determines the quality, it is the person/company getting the parts manufactured. the expensive high quality pieces are many in taiwan and singapore too. but its the cheap knockoffs everyone compares to the country.
look to see where K&N filters are made (i dont know) but it probably isnt the US.
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Originally Posted by petrified.rabbit
and the country is not what determines the quality, it is the person/company getting the parts manufactured. the expensive high quality pieces are many in taiwan and singapore too. but its the cheap knockoffs everyone compares to the country.
What I meant when I said that was because it was most likely also designed in Singapore as well as made there. And the part they make usually isn't intended for other countries (i.e. designed with no cat?), so it probably doesn't meet some requirements.
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look to see where K&N filters are made (i dont know) but it probably isnt the US
But they are designed in the US, thats the difference.
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Originally Posted by y2daniel1981
Oh and I love HEADers...
I think you mean header. Unless you have another one somewhere else.
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Originally Posted by aveodude
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Originally Posted by y2daniel1981
Oh and I love HEADers...
I think you mean header. Unless you have another one somewhere else.
ok how this this..."I love HEADer(s)"
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Originally Posted by petrified.rabbit
i meant wage rate. your prices seems, comparable or higher to the US, how are people in general paid? is there a min wage?
is there a header for sale?
and the country is not what determines the quality, it is the person/company getting the parts manufactured. the expensive high quality pieces are many in taiwan and singapore too. but its the cheap knockoffs everyone compares to the country.
look to see where K&N filters are made (i dont know) but it probably isnt the US.
Yes I still have on ebay. I try not to talk to much abt these ebay items, I am afraid I am chased out of the forum. haha.
No minimum wages. Many people work part time. But generally a dish washer, sweeper or toilet cleaner earns abt $400-600US a month. This country I stay in do not do much manufacturing stuffs in primary industries. Left with some silicon industries, chip & electronics industries, and bio medical industries. Not much primary industries. Now mainly secondary industries and tertiary industries (tourism, hotel services, medical services, educational services).
Yes. I heard of the high labour cost of car servicing in US. Thats why most of you guys here are so knowledgeable in cars as you guys really do hands on to maintain the vehicle due to high labour cost. Our country people usually (99.99%) pays to let worksop do it, as its pretty cheap labour here compared to in US.
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Originally Posted by xiaogary
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Originally Posted by petrified.rabbit
i meant wage rate. your prices seems, comparable or higher to the US, how are people in general paid? is there a min wage?
is there a header for sale?
and the country is not what determines the quality, it is the person/company getting the parts manufactured. the expensive high quality pieces are many in taiwan and singapore too. but its the cheap knockoffs everyone compares to the country.
look to see where K&N filters are made (i dont know) but it probably isnt the US.
Yes I still have on ebay. I try not to talk to much abt these ebay items, I am afraid I am chased out of the forum. haha.
No minimum wages. Many people work part time. But generally a dish washer, sweeper or toilet cleaner earns abt $400-600US a month. This country I stay in do not do much manufacturing stuffs in primary industries. Left with some silicon industries, chip & electronics industries, and bio medical industries. Not much primary industries. Now mainly secondary industries and tertiary industries (tourism, hotel services, medical services, educational services).
Yes. I heard of the high labour cost of car servicing in US. Thats why most of you guys here are so knowledgeable in cars as you guys really do hands on to maintain the vehicle due to high labour cost. Our country people usually (99.99%) pays to let worksop do it, as its pretty cheap labour here compared to in US.
dont be afraid. We NEED more performance parts for our cars. I cant wait to get some more cash to buy the pullies and coilovers.
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I wondered about that 1.50 deal. Figure out the difference last time I went to Canada.
But y'all mentioned the Liter vs Gallon issue.
Just watching the forums to see what comes out next.
I have to divide my cash between my family, my Jeep, and the Aveo.
Currently buying toys for the Jeep.
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Originally Posted by ontarian_frog
unlike the Americans and the British, the rest of the world measures liquid quantities in liters. one US gallon is 3.79 liters. Therefore he pays about $5.70/gallon. Just thought I might clear things up a little.
We measure soft drinks in liters, does that count? lol
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Originally Posted by MetroAveo
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Originally Posted by ontarian_frog
unlike the Americans and the British, the rest of the world measures liquid quantities in liters. one US gallon is 3.79 liters. Therefore he pays about $5.70/gallon. Just thought I might clear things up a little.
We measure soft drinks in liters, does that count? lol
Can I get a liter-a-cola?
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if i didnt live in cali i would get this header!!
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Originally Posted by acdc1287
if i didnt live in cali i would get this header!!
buy header and hi flo cat, u should be fine for emissions
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Originally Posted by acdc1287
if i didnt live in cali i would get this header!!
I live in Cali and i bought the header. You shouldnt have anything to worry about, cops wont pop the hood of these cars. I kept my stock manifold and cat just for when i have to go get a smog done, which i think its every 5 years in california.
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i would get the header but every muffler shop i go to bitches about it interfering with c.a.r.b. standards :evil: :evil:
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im pretty sure you can install this header yourself, shouldnt need any welding done. the only thing you would have to do for emissions is just swap ur old **** back in for the tests.
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Originally Posted by acdc1287
i would get the header but every muffler shop i go to bitches about it interfering with c.a.r.b. standards :evil: :evil:
You dont need to go to a shop man, just buy it and do it yourself, it bolts right in, no welding required.
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Yes, you can diy (do it yourself) just some nuts and bolts only. Khan also gotten one. So he should know.
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i would buy it if i had the money, someone buy it for me :lol:
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Originally Posted by khan4rtist
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Originally Posted by acdc1287
if i didnt live in cali i would get this header!!
I live in Cali and i bought the header. You shouldnt have anything to worry about, cops wont pop the hood of these cars. I kept my stock manifold and cat just for when i have to go get a smog done, which i think its every 5 years in california.
For cars older than 5 years, smog checks are done every 2 years.
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How is it running?
How does it feel?