Ricer vs Tuner

K, the age old question but so far it has not been put in a direct way like this so, here we go...I've read some posts about it here and elsewhere, and I think some is quite comfusing, some guys here talk crap about body kits on Civic's just to turn around and praise another member Aveo with guess what 'a body kit', Than others talk about how WRX or other performance cars owners are jurks, yet they are basicly supping up their rides to emulate one of those high performance rides, than u got wrx owners talking **** about Hondas with wings and body kits when they have the biggest wings on the bunch and yes their cars are fast but they are no Gallardos! Bottom line is whats Rice? and whats Tuner? Arent we all walking a fine line betewen those too?
Lets get a example:
2009 Honda Civic: body kit, CAI, headers, full CAT back, eibach springs,17' wheels and rear spoiler, plain wht paint.
2009 VW Golf: CAI, eibach coils, 17' wheels, blacked out lights no engine mods.
2009 Aveo: body kit, CAI, CAT back, 17' wheels, functional hood heat vents, rear disk conversion.
2009 Lancer Evo, all stock.
2009 Ford Focus, rear wing, Cat Back, CAI, body graffics, stock wheels and suspension.
So witch is Rice and witch is Turner here? or they both kind of cross each other at times?
If U guys think this post is stupid just let me know and I'll delete it.

none of those are rice, ricer plays it part when that person owning the car thinks they are the **** and are better than everyone else, like STI boys do, or fit owners that hate the aveo and every car ever made because its not a hondur

i like any car, but dislike when people are like ^^^^^

no car to me is a ricer though, i think its a stupid term :P

"rice" to me is unfinished work (primer body kits), wrong jdm styling (weapon R body kit on a mustang japanese american?), trying to impersonate something your not ("custom body work" to make a honda look like a bmw, lambo doors on anything not lambo), and unnecessary / oversized parts (huge unfunctional wing on a stock car, big brake kits on a stock 1.6l automatic honda civic). etc.

edit, putting you model of car or emblem oversized anywhere on your car, especially the top of the windshield.

:( im rice.
the meaning to me is like when peeps are rocking vents/or large wings/crappy paint jobs like rattlecan black.

question on the car modded 2 look like another. would a kit car be rice?

honestly i like hunters point of view with the a hole drivers revin there fart cans on purpose. or straight up acting a foo.

my friend has a neon (i need 2 get a pic of it) that 2 me it is so rice. i want 2 help him de-mod it. he has cut out various vents in the stock bumpers. the tint job, is like a child put it on. and he has a decal of a blue dragon on the hood. Fart can is very loud. and revs it everytime he drives [-X

i think rice has a meanig 2 everyone. i have seen vettes that are riced out. i kno they can haul ass. but some things that are added on can make it rice.

Wikis DEF:
The pejorative is often intended to denigrate cars which have been modified cosmetically to give a false impression of high performance, but not actually capable of it. The accusation behind this is that the car has been customized with the intent to fool people. The term is most often used against east Asian made vehicles where the population is presumed to subsist on a diet of rice

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Originally Posted by oscare003

:( im rice.
the meaning to me is like when peeps are rocking vents/or large wings/crappy paint jobs like rattlecan black.

question on the car modded 2 look like another. would a kit car be rice?

honestly i like hunters point of view with the a hole drivers revin there fart cans on purpose. or straight up acting a foo.

my friend has a neon (i need 2 get a pic of it) that 2 me it is so rice. i want 2 help him de-mod it. he has cut out various vents in the stock bumpers. the tint job, is like a child put it on. and he has a decal of a blue dragon on the hood. Fart can is very loud. and revs it everytime he drives [-X

i think rice has a meanig 2 everyone. i have seen vettes that are riced out. i kno they can haul ass. but some things that are added on can make it rice.

Wikis DEF:
The pejorative is often intended to denigrate cars which have been modified cosmetically to give a false impression of high performance, but not actually capable of it. The accusation behind this is that the car has been customized with the intent to fool people. The term is most often used against east Asian made vehicles where the population is presumed to subsist on a diet of rice

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RICER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

its like a witch hunt :wink:

I see! seems to be a consensus that oversized wings, unmatched components, amateurish craftsmanship and a bad attitude is what 'Rice' means. I guess I'm safe! for now... LOL 8-[

lol and hunter has failed. ricer :roll:

how did i fail?

There is a fine line between rice and tuner, and it is difficult to not cross it sometimes. Having a purpose for modding a vehicle keeps it out of the rice category. I know many people install body kits and light mods for aesthetic purposes, and that is fine. But throwing it no there just to have it, is rice. That fits the fart cans, and over sized wings as well.

I whent to Autozone today and OMG! this guy pulls up next to me, older model Prelude black paint all scratched out(thats fine, maybe he can't afford a new paint yet) but than the RIMS on it! Same as my rims, BLK 17' with polished lips, nice rims exept for the fact that he spray painted the center and spokes 'RED' I mean, there was overspray on the TIRES! I mean, it just looked like ****! leave them blk for God sake they look better, but to do that! Than he had all those company stickers on the passenger side of the windshield! thats SUPER RICE! I could not help but text my son and wife and we had a good laugh!

Good points on the ricer issue LOL. A big RICER issue too, would be cut springs, or coilovers adjusted all the way down. a car so low it scrapes every where you go, definitely rice. I dont mind feeling bumps in the road here and there, but when a small bump bounces you out of the seat, its rediculous. If its a track car, thats fine, but the slammed stance has a function

If I told someone I drive a Bright Keylime Green Hatch with modified suspension, exhaust, intake, mild porting, spoiler, wheels, stereo, some body mods, some interior mods.... They would probably think my car is rice. If someone told me that.. I would imagine a riced out aveo. :)

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Originally Posted by paulsaveo

Good points on the ricer issue LOL. A big RICER issue too, would be cut springs, or coilovers adjusted all the way down. a car so low it scrapes every where you go, definitely rice. I dont mind feeling bumps in the road here and there, but when a small bump bounces you out of the seat, its rediculous. If its a track car, thats fine, but the slammed stance has a function

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on cut oem springs, sure. but if on coil overs it is not, its stance. even factory height cars have places they can go because they scrape.. lowered cars just have more potential places they could scrap, being properly slammed is something a ricer could not do.

Rice is: Having a car lowered so much the front facia u just bought is tottaly destroyed and u are the only one that does not notice it! LOL:D

I should have laid that out a little better. their is nothing wrong with a lowered car. My aveo is lowered by way of Eibach pro-kit springs, KYB GR2 rear shocks, and KYB excel2 front struts. If slammed properly, thats cool too, to an extent. My case though, a buddy of mine had a 97 saturn, he wanted it as low as possible, so he went with a lower aspect ratio tire on stock 15s and put ebay coilovers on it adjusted all the way down. if he were heading out to an SCCA event thats fine, but he wasnt. he had so much negative camber, a camber kit didnt even bring it close to within spec. that in my opinion is rice. someone building a show or track car, properly slamming is cool, but not for something as a daily driver. And its nothing against coilovers either, it just depends on a drivers application.

mine is a daily driver:

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/1385/photo1fiz.jpg

i guess i look at it as even though the parts wear faster set up the way i have it, i don't want to change the handling characteristics off the track either. Kind of a "gotta pay to play" kind of thing. and my front bumper is messed up from something falling off a mack truck and almost killing me on the highway not from being low the miss match i just a layer of clear. but banging the front off cones wont help its appearance either.. The car is fun to drive on and off the track.

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Originally Posted by petrified.rabbit

mine is a daily driver:

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/1385/photo1fiz.jpg

i guess i look at it as even though the parts wear faster set up the way i have it, i don't want to change the handling characteristics off the track either. Kind of a "gotta pay to play" kind of thing. and my front bumper is messed up from something falling off a mack truck and almost killing me on the highway not from being low the miss match i just a layer of clear. but banging the front off cones wont help its appearance either.. The car is fun to drive on and off the track.

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Your aveo does look good, but you had the key elemnt of what im going on in your post, the track. For a car that sees track time, its all good, even being a daily driver. Coilovers would get old to keep adjusting for on and off track, dont blame you for leaving it low. Now if you were to throw on a massive wing, and cover your aveo with parts stickers, then I would be a little worried LOL. Ive only got 1 sticker on mine, its a 1.5"x1.5" jl audio logo right under the rear wiper barely noticeable. Im right there with on fun to drive, I drive on twisting back roads to and from work everyday, the drive was alot more enjoyable after I lowered my aveo.

Ricer - Anybody who drives in the left hand lane of a highway with a fart can who does not move when you need to pass them. If you do not have a fart can see Ass hat.

WTF, do you think I can what racial origin, sexual orientation, or even how much you modify your car. If you driving in the left hand lane going slow, GTFO! If you have the same load obnoxious fart can running 85+ and blow past me, I am going to be thinking "Oh yeah! That dude is a rocking tuner"

Good point, btw the yellow cars look nice, the front on the late model is much longer, better looking. Is it possible to convert the early front end to the late front end? Will it bolt on?

Not the same platform, might be easy to make it work though.

there was a thread about that, seemed like it would not be much of a problem

Probably costly to do it. May be better off upgrading to the late model...

There was an earlier thread about it where it was stated the older front would bolt right onto the newer Aveo and vice versa.

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Originally Posted by Z34guy

There was an earlier thread about it where it was stated the older front would bolt right onto the newer Aveo and vice versa.

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Tnks Z34, I will search or it... Looking at the rear brake conversion thread right now, I may try to do that next. I got to find a set of rear calipers first, than work around it.

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Originally Posted by AveoSS

Tnks Z34, I will search or it... Looking at the rear brake conversion thread right now, I may try to do that next. I got to find a set of rear calipers first, than work around it.

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Looking at them, I can't see why it wouldn't work anyways. All the T250 models are is a facelift. The sedan is just a bit more in depth. You will need the headlights, bumper cover, hood, fog lights and fenders to do the swap.

Oh, that sounds expensive! I'm thinking maybe buy a late model Aveo than swap the parts betewen them two and sell the late model with the early front end. Wow, that sounds like the stupidest idea ever posted here!:D Can anyone top that off???

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Originally Posted by AveoSS

Oh, that sounds expensive! I'm thinking maybe buy a late model Aveo than swap the parts betewen them two and sell the late model with the early front end. Wow, that sounds like the stupidest idea ever posted here!:D Can anyone top that off???

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Ari want's to swap the newer hatch front end onto her 2006 hatch because "It has pretty eyes"

And duh it's expensive. What the hell did you think a front end swap entailed? You're talking $500 at least.

$500? I wish! I'm thinking probably a couple grand by the time I'm done, if u count the paint. I could sell all the old parts after and recuperate some money, probably have to buy the parts one at a time of ebay, I don't like buying off the junk yard.

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Originally Posted by AveoSS

$500? I wish! I'm thinking probably a couple grand by the time I'm done, if u count the paint. I could sell all the old parts after and recuperate some money, probably have to buy the parts one at a time of ebay, I don't like buying off the junk yard.

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I'd buy the pieces one by one anyways and have each part painted individually when I could afford to. longer process but it gets the job done.
As for expensive, you should see the plans for my Monte Carlo I have. I plan to dump at least 12 grand into the car, most of it going into rebuilding the engine by hand to my specs. This can only happen after I have an Aveo daily driver, a job, and have taken the Monte off the road for a top to bottom rebuild. when I'm done, It'll look modified, but not over the top. Everything will be kept low-key and tasteful.

i bet the parts could be had for @ $500 if you find used, its like $300 for the front bumper cover new, Headlights were available aftermarket for like $60 each, not sure if they are still out there, and the hood was available on ebay for like $300, fenders are around $125 a piece last time i checked.. So NEW parts, should come around $1000..

Dont really think you need much more than that, plan on at least $1000 for paint if you go some good, but i know ever area has a shop that would still do a decent job for less...

Yeah, I'm going to look into it, probably find most parts on ebay... I like to have a extra car to use while I work on this one, last year I had a wrangler + a suburban, but I did not think about working on the Aveo at the time, now only mine and the wifes car.