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What brand of oil is everyone using and what interval?
Hello all...I'm going to be changing my oil for the first time on the Aveo and was curious to what everyone is using? I use Mobil 1 in my Trailblazer, Motorcraft Synthetic Blend in the wifes Mountaineer and was considering using only conventional oil in the Aveo? Any comments/suggestions? I use a 5000 mile OCI in the two SUVs but am wondering if I should drop my interval to 3500 or 4000 in the Aveo since it is a high revving 4 banger.
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I use the Mobil1 5W30 Full Synthetic motor oil, and filter @ 2500Miles(only because I tend to procrastiante ultil its 3000) My father is owns a dealer, and I have seen first hand that using conventional or even semi synthetic.. does leave residue ... but if your past the second oil change.. and have always run conventional .. the damage is already done and your wasting your money.
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Originally Posted by Aveo07z
I use the Mobil1 5W30 Full Synthetic motor oil, and filter @ 2500Miles(only because I tend to procrastiante ultil its 3000) My father is owns a dealer, and I have seen first hand that using conventional or even semi synthetic.. does leave residue ... but if your past the second oil change.. and have always run conventional .. the damage is already done and your wasting your money.
Why only 2500 miles between changes? Isn't that a bit excessive? I've run dino oil in a number of vehicles without any sludge or varnish build-up. Maybe I'll go with Mobil 1 in the Aveo but I cant see spending the extra money when there are a number of conventional oils that meet the GM 6094M spec for the Aveo.
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I have my first Oil Change with this Aveo next weekend. I am planning on going with the Castrol Synthetic. Primarily because I have heard, on this board, of slight economy increases using Synthetic.
We will see on my trip to the bay area.
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Like i said... I aim for that .. but by the time i get around to it.. it around 3000 or 3500 .. but never more than that
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I'm pretty religious when it comes to my oil changes. I always use Pennzoil 10w-30 in the summers and 5w-30 in the winter. 3000 miles is time to change, but I have been to 3500 miles when work or life gets in the way.
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Originally Posted by Aveo07z
I use the Mobil1 5W30 Full Synthetic motor oil, and filter @ 2500Miles(only because I tend to procrastiante ultil its 3000) My father is owns a dealer, and I have seen first hand that using conventional or even semi synthetic.. does leave residue ... but if your past the second oil change.. and have always run conventional .. the damage is already done and your wasting your money.
you know you can go at least up to 5000 miles with mobil 1 right? it says it right on the bottle. unless ur talkin about the first oil change... if so..OK :D
anywho, mobil 1 every 5000 miles FTMFW! i plan on seafoamin here shortly as well, hopefull i can put up a nice smoke show for the nieghborhood.
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You know I use Seafoam in my BMW motorcycle and it makes a huge difference in smoothness of the motor, and mileage per gallon. I also notice that when I change the oil, its not a dark after 3K.
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Originally Posted by NYChevoo
You know I use Seafoam in my BMW motorcycle and it makes a huge difference in smoothness of the motor, and mileage per gallon. I also notice that when I change the oil, its not a dark after 3K.
+100923408. I've used seafoam on about 10 cars between mine and friends now. That stuff can work wonders. I just use the vaccum tube mehtod, haven't tried putting it in the gas tank.
You shouldn't change oil before 3k miles unless you live in extream climates and drive very hard or you spend a decent amount of time at the track. It's just too early and not very good for the engine. Being in Arizona and redlining my car at least 25x a day I usually change at 3k-3.5k or within 1k if I spent a weekend on the road course.
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OMG!! You guys are using Mobil 1??? The Aveo is the cheapest car sold in the US and you are using the most expensive oil sold for it? Synthetic has a place, but is total overkill for the general population. And 3K intervals? Man, I hate to say it but you have been brainwashed by the oil manufactuers. Many years ago oil suffered viscosity breakdown after 3K or more, but there have been vast improvements since then. Read your user manual, for normal driving it is like 5K or 7.5K interval. As for sludge build-up, if you follow the manufacturer's change interval, I have never heard of engine failure due to build-up. As for mileage, the extra 25 bucks for Mobil 1 should offset any savings in fuel costs. All that said, I use 5W-30, as per the manual, whatever is on sale for 2 bucks a qt., and an AC/DELCO PF47 filter every 5K. Follow this schedule and you will get hundreds of thousands of miles from your engine.
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i use mobil 1 cus i love my engine. i change at 5000 miles cus i love my engine. its all about love, not whats on sale at autozone for 2$/qt. also with the turbo comin around soon...well its nice to have nice oil in ur ride is all. plus i beleive mobil 1 is made here in the states, not somewhere in bufu arabia.
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oil? whats that? is it something I should concern myself with?
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Thanks for the input. I have decided to go with conventional at 5000 mile intervals with a Wix filter. Just picked up Valvoline in the 5.5 quart jugs for $7 each at ChinaMart. With the filter each oil change should cost around $8.25.
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Originally Posted by AveoRob
taken from article:
"Well I hereby give pistonheads permission to skip their next regularly scheduled motor oil change. And the one after that one. In fact, if you’re not planning to keep your car for all eternity, consider forgetting oil changes altogether."
No thanks, I will change at 5k. I love my engine and if love makes people crazy, like changing oil every 5K miles, well then i need to be in a insane asylum.
"These days, it’s common to hear of documented engine life of 500k miles and more. A fleet of Chevy gasoline V8 pickups pulling trailers delivering car parts overnight all over the Midwest has run a number of bow tie bombers to over 600K without failure. A 1987 Saab 900 just hit the million mile mark without an engine rebuild. Yes, the Saab owner used expensive synthetic oil and changed it regularly in his million mile quest. But how long are you planning to keep your car?"
This paragraph has to do with what again? Regular maintenance helps you get that far.
"Obviously, I don’t expect pistonheads to forgo engine oil changes completely– if only because following manufacturer’s recommendations safeguards your potential warranty claims. Still, if warranty isn’t an issue and you’re not planning on keeping your car past 150k or so, and you run it under favorable conditions– a long commute, lots of highway miles, milder climate, etc. — consider extended intervals. If you have a three year lease, well, that’s between you and your conscience."
My conscience says change the oil, thats what a boosted motor would want.
"Pistonheads who lavish low interval oil changes and high octane go-juice on the cherishd machines do so more for their own peace of mind than their car’s mechanical needs. It’s sweet, but unnecessary."
Oh how sweet it is.
My point, I will be running a boosted motor very soon, for that reason, I plan to take care of my vehicle the best way I know how. If the manufacturer says to change every 3-5K miles then so be it, I will change at those intervals or depending on what oil I use like Mobil 1 which is good for at least 5k miles. But it is depressing when I pull the drain plug and the oil is blacker than black. Lets not forget about good old moisture that can get into your motor, especially in the fall/spring seasons. Moisture can wreak havoc on your oil. I love my engine and it is for those reasons why I change my oil when I do. Thank you AveoRob, it was a good read.
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Indeed Mike,
I will let folks say it is not necessary all day. Do I plan to own my car forever? No. But while I have it, I plan to take the best possible care of it.
Not to mention, with my 2005 Aveo, I got the oil changed regularly, every 3000 or so miles (give or take a hundred), and when it came time to trade stubby off, I had records and reciepts of every bit of work done. Oil changes, filter changes, tire changes, brake replacements, everything. That made a huge difference when I finally traded off. Dealerships, as well as personal buyers, tend to give more for a car when they know, and can prove that it has been well cared for.
I am militant, and yes even religious, about my maintenance. I don't expect my little aveo to pump out a million miles, but I want to make sure that it gets all the miles possible.
Oh, and per the service manual:
Regular driving (short trips city driving)
3,000 Miles (5 000 km)
? Change engine oil and filter (or every 3 months,
whichever occurs first). An Emission Control
Service.
6,000 Miles (10 000 km)
? Change engine oil and filter (or every 3 months,
whichever occurs first). An Emission Control
Service.
? Rotate tires. See Tire Inspection and Rotation
on page 327 for proper rotation pattern and
additional information. (See footnote +.)
9,000 Miles (15 000 km)
? Change engine oil and filter (or every 3 months,
whichever occurs first). An Emission Control
Service.
12,000 Miles (20 000 km)
? Change engine oil and filter (or every 3 months,
whichever occurs first). An Emission Control
Service.
? Rotate tires. See Tire Inspection and Rotation
on page 327 for proper rotation pattern and
additional information. (See footnote +.)
Long Trip/Highway
7,500 Miles (12 500 km)
? Change engine oil and filter (or every
12 months, whichever occurs first).
An Emission Control Service.
? Rotate tires. See Tire Inspection and Rotation
on page 327 for proper rotation pattern and
additional information. (See footnote +.)
15,000 Miles (25 000 km)
? Change engine oil and filter (or every
12 months, whichever occurs first).
An Emission Control Service.
? Replace passenger compartment air filter. If
you drive regularly under dusty conditions,
the filter may require replacement more often.
? Inspect engine air cleaner filter. See Engine Air
Cleaner/Filter on page 281 for more information.
? Rotate tires. See Tire Inspection and Rotation
on page 327 for proper rotation pattern and
additional information. (See footnote +.)
? Inspect drive belt(s).
Seeings as I drive mostly in town, I am gonna trust the GM suggested maintenance. But hey, that's just me.
Long live the Aveo!
Long live Stubby!
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I take my car to the dealer and let them do it.
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Originally Posted by AveoRob
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My point, I will be running a boosted motor very soon, for that reason, I plan to take care of my vehicle the best way I know how. If the manufacturer says to change every 3-5K miles then so be it, I will change at those intervals or depending on what oil I use like Mobil 1 which is good for at least 5k miles. But it is depressing when I pull the drain plug and the oil is blacker than black. Lets not forget about good old moisture that can get into your motor, especially in the fall/spring seasons. Moisture can wreak havoc on your oil. I love my engine and it is for those reasons why I change my oil when I do. Thank you AveoRob, it was a good read.
Just to add to this... My uncle, who drives very carefully due to a bad shoulder (in fact he can't use his left arm because he fell off a truck... kenworth) had to change the cam and bearings in his Taurus because he didn't do regular oil changes. He would wait until the car reached 3000 miles, which often took 6 to 8 months to do so... oh and he didn't get any warranty either.
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Ok, check this out then if you insist.
http://www.xs11.com/stories/croil96.htm
From the article:
"None of the tested oils proved better than the others in our tests. There may be small differences that our tests didn't reveal, but unless you typically drive under more severe conditions than a New York cab does, you won't go wrong if you shop strictly by price or availability. Buy the viscosity grade recommended in your owner's manual, and look for the starburst emblem. Even the expensive synthetics (typically, $3 or $4 a quart) worked no better than conventional motor oils in our taxi tests, but they're worth considering for extreme driving conditions high ambient temperatures and high engine load or very cold temperatures.
On the basis of our test results, we think that the commonly recommended 3,000-mile oil-change interval is conservative. For "normal" service, 7,500-mile intervals (or the recommendation in your owner's manual) should be fine. Change the oil at least that often to protect your engine and maintain your warranty. Even for the severe service experienced by the taxis in our tests a 6,000- mile interval was adequate. But some severe service - frequent cold starts and short trips, dusty conditions, trailer towing - may require a shorter interval. Note, too, that special engines such as diesels and turbos, which we didn't test, may need more frequent oil changes. "
Like the article says, there are extreme cases when differences could be found, but for the gerneal public....
But hey, if you can't sleep at night because your sludge is building up......
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Originally Posted by AveoRob
Ok, check this out then if you insist.
http://www.xs11.com/stories/croil96.htm
From the article:
"None of the tested oils proved better than the others in our tests. There may be small differences that our tests didn't reveal, but unless you typically drive under more severe conditions than a New York cab does, you won't go wrong if you shop strictly by price or availability. Buy the viscosity grade recommended in your owner's manual, and look for the starburst emblem.
Even the expensive synthetics (typically, $3 or $4 a quart) worked no better than conventional motor oils in our taxi tests, but they're worth considering for extreme driving conditions high ambient temperatures and high engine load or very cold temperatures.
I work my car like a dog and live in Chicago where one day the temp is -30 with wind and the next day its 95+ with 110% humidity. Extreme enough for me.
On the basis of our test results, we think that the commonly recommended 3,000-mile oil-change interval is conservative. For "normal" service, 7,500-mile intervals (or the recommendation in your owner's manual) should be fine. Change the oil at least that often to protect your engine and maintain your warranty. Even for the severe service experienced by the taxis in our tests a 6,000- mile interval was adequate.
But some severe service - frequent cold starts and short trips, dusty conditions, trailer towing - may require a shorter interval. Note, too, that special engines such as diesels and
turbos, which we didn't test, may need more frequent oil changes. "
City driving and mmmmmmmm turbos (not that I have mine in yet, but it will be.)
Like the article says, there are extreme cases when differences could be found, but for the gerneal public....
But hey, if you can't sleep at night because your sludge is building up......
Also let me add, motor oil, once in your vehicle, begins a shelf life. What I mean is, its like canned foods. They stay fresh as long as they arent opened but as soon as you open them, they begin to loose quality. I dont care what kind of motor you have, everytime you start it, you get small bits of metal and other "junk" into your oil. Plus like i said earlier, moisture. Moisture will break down your oil if you let it sit long enough. I believe it "oxidizes" or something (dont quote me here). For those reasons, I will change my oil at most by 6K miles. I try to do it before that but if I got school or something...You know.
Also going back to another post by OntarioFrog, you gotta change that **** ya know. How you treat your motor will determine how it treats you. (Not implicating fault to your Uncle and sux to hear about his shoulder.)
Thats all Im going to say. These articles do provide valid points, but they are not valid enough to convince me to change my ways of my vehicle maintenance. Because when I do change my oil, its usually(95% of the time) blacker than midnight and that tells me that it was time.
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I dont care what any review says... im staying with Mobil full synthetic... mobile filter.. and 3kMiles ..... you can say im wasting money.. but in the end .. its my money to waste ... and just so can flame those of us who go the extra mile for our cars.. I also get premium from the same gas station EVERY fillup ... never go below 1/4 tank ...V-Power from Shell ....
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Originally Posted by Aveo07z
I dont care what any review says... im staying with Mobil full synthetic... mobile filter.. and 3kMiles ..... you can say im wasting money.. but in the end .. its my money to waste ... and just so can flame those of us who go the extra mile for our cars.. I also get premium from the same gas station EVERY fillup ... never go below 1/4 tank ...V-Power from Shell ....
I know its your right and its your money but using premium fuel is an even bigger waste of $$ than synthetic oil and short intervals. Unless you have reprogrammed the PCM to adjust timing for premium you will see no benefit from it and could even do some harm. Higher octane fuel may not detonate completely and leave deposits. The compression on these engines isn't even high enough to warrant the use of 89 octane. Just my two cents.
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Mobil 1 or Penzoil Full Syntethic 5W30 synthetic - and before anyone critizes my choice, learn why I use it. During the winters here in Alaska, it's not unusual to see -30 or colder and dino oil just gets too thick. Many of us use synthetic as it flows more freely at -10, -20, -30 or colder than does dino oil. It's all in the sound...start an engine at -30 that has dino and one that has synthetic...I'll take synthetic any day as the cold starts are heck on an engine with dino.
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Originally Posted by AlaskaNorth1
Mobil 1 or Penzoil Full Syntethic 5W30 synthetic - and before anyone critizes my choice, learn why I use it. During the winters here in Alaska, it's not unusual to see -30 or colder and dino oil just gets too thick. Many of us use synthetic as it flows more freely at -10, -20, -30 or colder than does dino oil. It's all in the sound...start an engine at -30 that has dino and one that has synthetic...I'll take synthetic any day as the cold starts are heck on an engine with dino.
You may even benefit from a switch to Mobil1 0W-30.
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Originally Posted by GeorgeJ
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Originally Posted by AlaskaNorth1
Mobil 1 or Penzoil Full Syntethic 5W30 synthetic - and before anyone critizes my choice, learn why I use it. During the winters here in Alaska, it's not unusual to see -30 or colder and dino oil just gets too thick. Many of us use synthetic as it flows more freely at -10, -20, -30 or colder than does dino oil. It's all in the sound...start an engine at -30 that has dino and one that has synthetic...I'll take synthetic any day as the cold starts are heck on an engine with dino.
You may even benefit from a switch to Mobil1 0W-30.
Or using a block heater.
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Without a doubt, the use of the block heater overnight is a given with those temps but when it sits all day at work for 9 or 10 hours with no source of AC for the block heater, that's when the synthetic really pays off. Or you take the truck to the hills with the snowmobiles and leave the truck for a couple of days...that again, is when the synthetic pays off.
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i got a block heater in my car and when i tell people about it here in chicago most have no idea what that is :lol:
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ive used mobile before and it needed to be changed def at 3k miles and it was the first time ive ever lost any oil between changes.....but with like crappy store brand oil and a thing of lucas oil additive i can go anywhere from 4k-6k miles and the oil still be good. I am at 5k miles now and the oil still looks fresh and still has the same amount....yay for the cheap stuff lol
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Originally Posted by AVE0SAM
ive used mobile before and it needed to be changed def at 3k miles and it was the first time ive ever lost any oil between changes.....but with like crappy store brand oil and a thing of lucas oil additive i can go anywhere from 4k-6k miles and the oil still be good. I am at 5k miles now and the oil still looks fresh and still has the same amount....yay for the cheap stuff lol
lucas products FTMFW :mrgreen:
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Originally Posted by Aveo07z
but if your past the second oil change.. and have always run conventional .. the damage is already done and your wasting your money.
Hummm????? Wonder when the damage was done on my all orginal 2.8L V6 lump, powering my 86" Jimmy with 547,000 miles on it, from using conventional Pennzoil for 20 years? Oh, forgot.........had to do the intake manifold gasket.
And that's nothing......I know of local 4.2 powerer Blazer with over 900,000 miles on it and yes, he uses Pennziol as well.
By the way, both vehicles since retired.
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i often wondered how we got along in the previous 100 years of automotive history without synthetic oils to save our engines?
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Originally Posted by NYChevoo
i often wondered how we got along in the previous 100 years of automotive history without synthetic oils to save our engines?
engines lasted a few thousand miles before being rebuilt.
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i was trying to make a point
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i was trying to make a point
Point taken :)
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In response to the question about oil type and changing it.
I use Amsoil 5w30 and a Wix filter. I can run 24,000 KMs before changing the oil. However I will change the filter in 12,000 KMS. Hope that helps.
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Originally Posted by BlackSpotMedia
In response to the question about oil type and changing it.
I use Amsoil 5w30 and a Wix filter. I can run 24,000 KMs before changing the oil. However I will change the filter in 12,000 KMS. Hope that helps.
How has Amsoil been working for you? I am considering upgrading to it from Mobil 1.
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hi,
In response to: How has Amsoil been working for you? I am considering upgrading to it from Mobil 1.
I talked to my local Amsoil dealer yesterday and he says that the Mobil 1 oil is very good and is sometimes used in comparison tests with Amsoil. I have a 1200 cc motorcycle as well, and have used Amsoil for 10 years in both engine and final drive; two oils respectively. I change my oil in my bike every 24000kms. The filter is changed every 12000 kms. I find the Amsoil to be perfect for my needs in both my bike and my 2008 Aevo.
There was a post here about the myths of oil changes and the companies that maintain them. It was true in the past to change oil more often 1900's to 1960's , however due to engineering standards of todays motors we are able to use technology based synthetic oils and quality filters with longer intervals between changes.
I would never tell someone to change what works for them, whether it be oil changes every 5000 km or every 24000 km. We all feel different towards our cars. However I feel the filter choice is paramount in determining the longevity. So i'll say it again., I change my oil every 24000kms but my filter HAS to be changed every 12000kms.
Well theres my nickle drop....
Great forum guys
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I think using Mobil 1 is one of the smartest things to do, especially with this car. I don't care what anyone says, expert or not, synthetic is just better. The 1.4 and 1.6 liter E-TEC engines are well manufactured and well engineered engines, but let's face it folks, it's a small engine pushing a car that is right around the 3,000 lb mark. That makes for one hard working engine; and we all know that an engine's hard work translates into heat. When it comes to cooling hot engine parts by direct contact, oil is the final defense. I'm sure that many conventional oils have their finer points, but as hot as these engines get, it will start to cook conventional oil immediately, from the time you first start it up driving home from the dealership. Synthetic will take the beating and keep your engine parts from severe long term wear. There's dozens of educated reasons why Mitsubishi, Chevrolet, Chrysler, Cadillac, and Porsche all require it from the very first fill on the assembly line.
The conventional oils that Mr. $2.00 AutoZone Oil is talking about have synthetic components to them (Mobil Clean 5000 & 7500). They'll maintain stability longer than that cheap swill you find in the grocery store, but I would still only use them in an emergency.
As for my change interval, I have had one hand me down Chevy and two new ones in my lifetime. I started using Mobil 1 in my 1990 Cavalier when I got it as a graduation present in 1998 with 65,000 miles and it lasted me until 2003 and 310,000 miles. As soon as I got my 2003 Cavalier, I threw it up on the lift and changed the oil to Mobil 1 and broke it in on that, and I did the same for my 2007 Aveo. I change it every 6000 miles and use a Bosch 3331 oil filter. If Bosch is not available, I'll step down to an ACDelco PF47. If none of those are available, I would rather put a coffee filter and plastic cup over the oil filter port than use some of the other trash filters out there (just kidding! Kids, a coffee filter & plastic cup are not an acceptable substitute for an oil filter and may cause serious damage to your engine, so don't try this at home.). I've been doing this since my '90 Cavalier and when I change it, it comes out looking like hot fudge, but stays showroom clean for at least 2,000 miles.
We all have freedom of choice, but the smarter thing to do is use the synthetic. Yeah, the fuel savings may be pennies when you look at the cost of Mobil 1, but $35.00 for a case of synthetic and a good filter beats at least $5,000 for a new E-TEC engine and labor.
As for Mr. cheapskate that uses the $2.00 oil and Wix filter, have your mechanic call me when he pulls your engine; I'll use all the asphalt your engine made to pave my driveway.