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lol this makes me feel good as this scrub on youtube said chevy would never make a car like this and said american cars suck, well, that pussy prius and gay insight dont touch this!!!
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090811/ap_ ... lt_mileage
lol this makes me feel good as this scrub on youtube said chevy would never make a car like this and said american cars suck, well, that pussy prius and gay insight dont touch this!!!
40K for a volt
15K for a non-hybrid civic (or Aveo)
25K difference
volt - 12K miles/yr @150 mpg = 80 gallons x 3 dollars = 240/yr fuel cost
civic (aveo) 12K miles/yr @30mpg = 400 gallons x 3 dollars = 1200/yr fuel cost
960/yr difference (savings in fuel)
25K divided by 960 = 26 years to break even.
Even if you double the 150 mpg to 300 mpg, it will still be 21 years to break even
agreed, but there are two types of people who shop for cars based on fuel economy. 1. Those who want good fuel economy, and 2. those who want to feel good about themselves because they think they are helping the environment. The second group would be the ones who would buy the volt, instead of a similarly price SUV, then the can feel good about themselves as the pull into their starbucks. nevermind the fact that the electricity used to charge the car came from coal. and the batteries will need replaced every 3-5 years creating a toxic landfill.Quote:
Originally Posted by AveoRob
"common" people like us while we would like 150mpg too, see the break down in numbers and realized its not better for "us" (your figures don't even account for the added home electric bill to charge the car at night, like they recommend). We also know the practicality of owning a more "disposable" but more efficient car.
Even at 1/2 the price, it'd still take 10 years to recover. I wonder how many people don't realise (or don't want to) these facts? They think they're doing good for the environment, but never follow the energy trail. Put a few million Aveo's on the road and see our need for foreign oil drop considerably.
but its also about stature. if an aveo cost $40k, then those yuppie assholes would drive them proudly.
but keeping up with the jones' means you need to be a lemming and drive something as or more expensive as everyone else in the culdesac.
You also need to factor in economic factors. Battery developments and wide spread adoption will drive the price of the volt down for sure, but in the meantime, you have to remember that with new technologies come a higher price.
+1 to all your points. They way I see it, I drive a fairly decent fuel-efficient car and I don't drive much. I'll have less than 9K buy the time my aveo is a year old.
As much as I make that same comparison myself, it isnt fair in this case. If you were comparing Camry to Camry hybrid, that would make sense. The Volt and the Aveo are 2 completely different cars with completely different options and standard features.Quote:
Originally Posted by AveoRob
Also, with the volt, it will go 40miles solely on an electric charge. So if you dont commute a far way, you could, in theory, never need gas for it. People that buy hybrids dont do it to save money. They do it for the fact it consumes less oil.
Last point. Wait for it to come out and look at the federal rebates that will come with the car. They are talking $7500 so far. Early hybrid adopters saved a bunch as well.
**** all that. lets all replace the gas tank space with several hydrogen water cell's. only takes 6 to power the car, and they can be built at home. **** what the companies have to give us! VIVA LA REVOLUTION!! or we tame and saddle tree's......
lol you know when the ricer hybrids came out, they were not cheap either
Jeeze.
This thread made me think about my old gas guzzler I replaced to get my aveo (justifying the new car price with "it'll be so much more better on gas though")
My old gas guzzler had 0 payments, just a few parts here and there (nothing to expensive).
The only drawback was that the car only got 18 mpg. It was also more of a raw 'road racer' for the street. Not quiet. V8 loud exhaust, 4 speed. Fast as heck.. fun as heck to drive.
It was a Black and Gold 1979 Chevy Monza Spyder. It was only in need of a new radiator and an oil leak fix. (possibly rear main seal).
I just calculated that the gas money I saved with the Aveo will take me 11 years to break even, with the fuel costs on the black monza.
In 11 years, I could have added a overdrive to the spyder and got the gas mileage back up.
But, I have to say, that its just eaiser taking a chick out on a date in the Aveo than the raw and crazy Spyder.
And I still have a red spyder for sunday drives, so I guess I'll be ok.
those figures are kind of imaginary.
if you have to 30yo car the numbers are supposed to start at the beginning, you would need to factor in your buying it, all the work you have done, and repairs.
as stated you really can't compare two cars across classes. unless you match up options. the chevy volt has alot of creature comforts that do not come standard on the aveo. that is part of the reason for the higher price tag. the drive train cost is about 1/3 the price increase of that car. it is more comparable to a 24k malibu or impala.
lol, i love those spyders 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by Monzaveo
haha that honda fag told me to screw myself on youtube, i love when people like that start **** with me lol i like to fight :x :x :x :x
You got rid of a Monza for the Aveo? What is the world coming to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monzaveo
You name makes more sense now lol.
I dont really agree here. You already own the car (monza in this case). Now you go on owning the Monza, not making payments because it is already paid for and put gas in it and fix up things that break.Quote:
Originally Posted by petrified.rabbit
Getting rid of it to get an Aveo, you still had to pay for the Monza at some point in time. You cant factor in the car over the cost of the last 30 yrs when comparing it to buying a new car now because then you wouldnt have had a car for the last 30 yrs. Get what I am saying?
using the formula posted above to figure out the long term break even point to compare the two from the beginning.
obviously going from a you already own with no payments puts an immediate economical debt against the new car.
when comparing a new car to one you already own, the only way i can figure is if you spend the same a payment would be in repairs a month
Could you please not use that derogatory term here?Quote:
Originally Posted by thehunterooo
To clarify why I chose a civic or Aveo for comparison is I do not think people are going to buy a 40K volt for creature comforts, heck I could get an small acura or lex for that same 40K, they are buying it for fuel economy, hence the choice of vehicles. On the note of creature comforts you keep mentioning, since it is summer, how does the A/C run on that 40 mile battery. Do you think you can get 230 mpg with A/C. How about night driving with lights etc., still on battery? After 40 miles, do you have to stop to recharge, or is the engine enough to power this vehicle?
Yes, the formula I used is very general and leaves out a lot of other factors, but it was meant to put the MPG into perspective. People get very excited at 200+ mpg figures
those are very good points, i do have a question, maybe someone saw more factual info? i thought this car was 100% electric vehicle, but the gas engine was only used as a generator to recharge itself while driving? anyone hear / know for sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by AveoRob
lol i think eveyone missed my point that a honda boy was making fun of american cars and saying that GM will never make a car like the volt........................................but they will lol
Some info:Quote:
Originally Posted by petrified.rabbit
the 2011 Chevrolet Volt will be a compact 5-door sedan with front-wheel drive, four-passenger seating, and an external footprint like that of Chevrolet's conventional Cobalt compact car.
E-Flex differs from existing hybrid systems that use a battery-powered electric motor as an adjunct to an internal combustion engine. Instead, the gas-fueled engine serves as a electricity generator and battery charger and is not connected to the drive wheels. Technically speaking, the Volt is thus an electric vehicle (EV) as well as a "serial hybrid." The Toyota Prius and similar vehicles are termed "parallel hybrids."
The 2011 Chevrolet Volt will be one of the first retail-market vehicles to use state-of-the-art lithium-ion (LI) batteries instead of the older and more common nickel-metal-hydride (NiMH) type.
Sony LI batteries that made scary headlines by causing some laptop computers to overheat and even catch fire. The batteries in the 2011 Chevrolet Volt are thus expected to be quite safe, though they, too, must be kept within a specific temperature range. The Volt has a separate liquid-cooling system for that purpose
The battery pack itself, rated at 16 kilowatts/hour, comprises more than 220 separate cells wired in series. That means the failure of any one cell disables the entire array, though some existing hybrid vehicles also have this flaw. The Volt pack is about six feet long and weighs a hefty 375 pounds.
Nice find, I think that answers a lot of questions everyone had.
that make the batteries sound like a bad idea..
my bad, but you wouldnt understand my grudge towards people like stuck up honda owners and bronco fans that think they are a good team, or people who hate america for that matterQuote:
Originally Posted by atcovan
It's all good... just wanted a little more civility on our forum. Now, as for Honda-bois and America haters, I'm definitely with ya there.Quote:
Originally Posted by thehunterooo
yes indeed
Oh, yeah almost forgot the most despicable... spammers! :evil:
yes no one likes them, or those who revive old threads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
Ha, ha! But I'm new here and have something to say... :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by thehunterooo
i need to stop hating on wolf so much :0 he couldnt touch me though he would melt in florida :P :P :P :P :P