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      Time to tackle the timing belt and water pump...

      Following the guides:
      Timing belt change on 2006 Aveo LS: My new detailed write-up
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      Timing belt

      And I'm using the Lisle 36880 DOC lock tool, but I must be doing something wrong...

      The only way I could get it to fit was like this:
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      where one tooth of the tool is up under the belt (Yeah. I know the cams are not aligned...had to turn things to get the tool tooth into this location.)

      When I try to square up the tool it fits in three teeth, but not the fourth
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      I guess three in and one on the top of a cam tooth should hold it, but I'd sure feel better if all four were locked in place.

      Thoughts?



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      Whoa - the 4 tabs on the tool go inside the sprockets, not into the cam teeth. Then the tool is turned until the slack is gone. You will now need to carefully check the teeth which had metal-to-metal contact to make sure they weren't nicked (which might eventually chew up the new belt).

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      I used one of those tools for the last timing belt job I did, and it was junk. It snapped in half as I was slipping the new belt on.

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      All you people and your fancy tools.

      Back in my day six months ago I used a wrench!
      It was hard work but it built character! >=T

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      Doh! I had in my head it was a compression tool, not and expansion tool... Of course I could have just read the packaging. I am shamed...

      The sprocket looks OK. I was careful in my placement. I thought that seemed like a risky play putting it in the teeth.

      Thanks!

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      Well that worked much better when I use the tool correctly!

      So I got the old belt off and here are a few tips that I've not seen in any write-up that I've learned:

      1) Loosen the timing chamber back cover BEFORE locking the cams--there are two retaining bolts that are only accessible between the tines of the cam sprockets and to access them you have to be able to rotate the cams to grant access, cause when they are aligned to the marks, these little beggars are obstructed! This needs to be done cause the back cover is one piece unit that you'll welcome the added flexibility when trying to get the water pump out. I managed, but it was a @#$#@!

      2) Those dang 5mm pump retainers are snug! I used a normal allen wrench to get them out (no special tools required) I just put the closed end of my 10mm wrench over L portion and made a little cheater bar that broke them free quite easily. Loosen them slowly because...

      3) Remember to shift the drain pan BEFORE this step where you loosen the water pump bolts--I ended up slopping around in a small slick of antifreeze most of the rest of the afternoon cause I thought I'd drained the bulk already from the radiator and then forgot to push it further back under fast enough.

      4) Confirm and double confirm that you're going to get metal tensioner/idler from the manufacturer. I did double check and still ended up with plastic when I opened the package. Grrr. I put them in anyways as since I had them. The original equipment was in surprisingly good condition: timing belt was GM-DAEWOO and looked as good as new, OEM tensioner/idler were on par with what I was replacing them with if not better (the bearings ran freely...), and the water pump looked good as new save one small discoloration near the rubber seal. The pump seal was smashed flat as expected, so a new pump seal would have probably been the only thing needing replacement, but better safe than sorry.

      So still need to attach the crank pulley and the serpentine belt, but feeling very good about getting the job finished soon. I'm going to get those in place and then go through the valve seal replacement before I button it all back up.

      Thanks again to those who've gone before for the excellent guides and for the tool tips here.

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      So did that tool help? The last belt I did I wound up yanking the cam pulleys off to get the rear housing off. Was fun getting everything lined up but doing the chalk marks on the old belt bailed me out in the end. Far as I know the housing has to come off to get open shot at the waterpump, otherwise these cam holders are slick.

      Derek

      PS has anyone been able to source the alleged steel timing pulley/tensioners? I can only source plastic units, but Napa did have steel serpentine tensioner.
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      Yes. Most definitely the tool helped. There was no lash or spin that occurred when taking the tension off. Everything stayed put as it should.

      SO I would definitely loosen the rear housing (through the cams) PRIOR to alignment and locking them down. Because you won't get in there otherwise. I could get a 1/4" 10mm set in the cam slots when the cam itself was not in the way. That would have relieved SO much pressure on my housing--but I just torqued the old water pump out. The worst is that it took an hour to do it. Sheesh. I was expecting as much of a fight putting it back in only it took much less time.

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      One questions for the pro's:
      Both write-ups talk about about when retightening the crank to 70ft-lbs(95Nm) that there is a "turn 30 degrees and then a turn 15 degrees" but what is that about? Why are we turning it? What do we do WHEN we turn it? is it just to see if it spins? I don't get it.

      I just torqued it down to 70 at TDC and then 30 and 15 more, but doesn't seem to have made any difference.

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      Not a professional mechanic, but here's my understanding of how this works. Torque done using a wrench is an approximation of tightness, and will vary by fastener surface cleanliness and lubrication, along with accuracy of the torque wrench. Torque-to-angle however will always be the same, assuming that an angle guage is used. So the idea is to do the "approximate" 70 lb torque first, and then the "exact" 45 angular torque to insure at least that part of it will always be done to spec. I have no idea how accurate this bolt tightening truly needs to be, considering that lots of guys (including some mechanics) just hammer it back on with a gun.

      When I did a Honda Civic timing belt a few years ago, the Honda manual also specified a torque-to-angle spec, but additionally provided an alternative standard (wrench) torque as well. And they also described exactly which section of the bolt/washer was supposed to be oiled, adding more consistency to the task. They obviously put more effort into this than the Aveo engineer did.

      Now what you wrote has me puzzled about exactly what you did. Can you describe the procedure that you used? I'm sure there's no problem with whatever you did, considering it's still running well. Just curiosity I guess.





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