http://www.gminsidenews.com/naias/revit ... beat.shtml
http://www.gminsidenews.com/naias/revit ... aveo.shtml
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only a 25 hp increase with a turbo? weak...
Thanks for the links.
So the Beat is essentially a 3 door version of the Aveo 5 door.
At least thats how it looks. And its not likely GM would spend the millions to create a vehicle just a few inches in size from one they already offer.
And thats cool to say the least. I'll be ready to trade for the beat when its ready.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daewoo_Kalos
"Chevrolet Beat, Groove, and Trax: Originally showcased at the 2007 New York International Auto Show these three concept vehicles each highlighted a different direction the Kalos platform might develop. At the 2007 Los Angeles Auto Show, General Motors announced the Beat will go into production for the world market, although not immediately in the United States."
Pontiac G3
http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-defends- ... ac-g3.html
that means the sport package probably won't make it to the states but the base model will, only gm would pull somethin like that.Quote:
General Motors announced the Beat will go into production for the world market, although not immediately in the United States.
Its only the bean counters..
Since the car has a turbo, the insurance industry will go ape ****, and make the cars, to pricey to insure, thus lowering the potential sales, thus keeping the car off of these shores.
Another "Gamma Platform" maybe car.
I like it.
http://www.gminsidenews.com/naias/revit ... gnal.shtml
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...ail_signal.jpg
Since GM is gonna have everyone jumping down their throats and watching over their shoulders, these will forever be concepts. GM has to focus on the Volt platform if they ever want to get ahead in the industry and out of the red.
You think those pictures are concept car styling or production car styling?
Beat
http://www.gminsidenews.com/naias/re...etail_beat.jpg
Aveo
http://www.gminsidenews.com/naias/re...etail_aveo.jpg
i dont know what to say about either one of them except they are very interesting looking.
depending on what they look like in person i may trade my aveo for one, i know i will probably have the mileage for a trade by then.
and to respond to some other comments:
also they "do" make a 3 door aveo now. its not short, just a different 1/4 panel, and longer door.
and as far as us not getting the good engine, VW, AUDI, mercedes, volvo, ford all keep the good engines in europe. they cant get them to pass us emissions standards for the amount of money that the could generate interest out of the market. its becoming all too common for the US to raise emissions standards to be above the most efficient engines in europe.
an example of this:
some of this info may be wrong, it was from a post in a vw forum... but internest searches prove some/most of it..
vw has developed a twin charged 1.4 16v, with a turbo and supercharger claiming over 200hp, and around 50-70mpg potential but with the twin chargers is cant have a secondary air bypass or a egr to pass emissions standard in the us, VW also said it would cost potentially $10m in development to modify the engine to meet us standard, but US demand for such an engine would never be there.
they already sell the engine in 140 and 170 hp variations in europe.
i would think you could let a car slide for not having an egr valve (or whatever the emissions problem actually is, this is the part of the post i could not verify) if it can get 50-70 mpg. i would think the difference in fuel economy would be accepted because the emissions effects over 100 miles would be so much less than a hummer.
Turbo or not, 125 hp will not drive the insurance up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monzaveo
These are interesting ideas for what people would like GM to produce but I really dont think GM is even considering developing a GTO or Firebird any time soon, at least they shouldnt the way i see it.
As for the Aveo, after the recent facelift I really think the current generation is the final and they will be getting rid of the nameplate.
The trouble is, even if you smoke a formula firebird in a wild street race,.... you still got 'Beat'.
They could even make a wallflower version and call it the beatnik.
Of a pree smashed one and call it the beatup
A real low version and call it the beatdown
A super sexy version and call it the beatoff.
a winter only one and call it the beater.
One for women in the snow and call it the wife beater.
One that makes lemonade and call it beatlejuice.
And finally a 300 hp supercharged version called the beast
monzaveo? tee many martoonis tonight?
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Originally Posted by NYChevoo
im just wondering how long it took him to think that up...
The anti depression model....the upbeat..
those designs seem like the typical brainstorming concept sketches that never make it to production. Designers will forever draw super-sleek cars with tiny slits for windows and enormous 30 inch wheels, but practicality calls for moderation. If you're gonna want to see where you're going(particularly when backing up), you're gonna need decent sized windows, and huge wheels are just plain expensive, not to mention bad for fuel economy. As good as they may look, there are certain factors that limit elements of design.
2010 Aveo, with all eyes on GM we will see what they release, the 2010 Aveo if similar to sketches would be interesting, looks like something out of a transformer movie.
Saw in the paper yesterday GM got a large chunck of change from the gov.
Didn't read it but there must have been some "Small print" on what they can do with it.
IMO..If GM makes a fancy version of the Aveo,turbo,body kit,wheels,etc it would put the price up around
$20 g's plus which is about where a Colbolt SS is.
Car&Driver,Road&Track or one of them did a three way ( ColboltSS,Mitsu EVO, can't remember other but ... ) and the ColboltSS won.
Wasn't the best in any cat. but overall was the winner.
Dealer had a loaded Aveo when I got mine and it was $17,000 +, Guy that sold me mine just laughed and said this one been here for awhile.
There not making much $$$ off them but keeps the flow through the showroom and service and repair busy.
Might see body styles like pic's above but will be tamed down with out wheels and body works.
GM should work on MPG not styling. After all that is what the Aveo is...Basic transportaion.
I do like mine and would buy another.
Or a G3...
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...Aveo/09-G3.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p.../09-G3Aveo.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p.../09-G3dash.jpg
But maybe NOT...
http://www.fordvehicles.com/2011fiesta/
http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/up ... age011.jpg
Why would you buy a $20K turbo Aveo when you can get a $22k turbo Cobalt?
i dont think the price line would just keep going up for an aveo with different options.
i would bet it would run about 16-17k still. You are not continually adding, you are "replacing" so if the stock engine in the aveo cost $2000 to put in the car, and the turbo version cost $3000. there is only a $1000 price hike in the car. not $3000 because that is what it would cost you to modify the car.. plus if they used components already in other models. it might be done for the same price range.
Just a quick and dirty check on the Chevy "Build & Price".
I think $20G's plus would be very close for a loaded Turbo Aveo.
Just my opinion not trying to start an argument.
'09 Aveo 4D LT loaded.
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...o/aveo4Dlt.jpg
'09 Aveo 5D LT loaded.
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...o/aveo5Dlt.jpg
'09 Cobalt 4D LT loaded.
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...ltLT24D-cs.jpg
'09 Cobalt SS 4D loaded.
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...altSS4D-cs.jpg
but again, why buy a smaller car that is bound to have less power for only $2K difference? GM has to much brand overlap as it is now.
i cant see those prices 100% clear. but it looks like $995 for a auto transmission?
i would think the "turbo package" would probably be like $2000, if it included a 6 speed.
depending on which line up they add it to, the LT is "luxury" , the LS is "sporty" of the class they have now.
i paid $11700 for my 09 aveo5 LS, I also know i could have have a cobalt coupe for less, with an auto and more options.
i would think they would add the engine to the sporty line and also add fogs, suspension and brakes. so lets say overall its a $3000 package. that you be added to base, of what $12500? so it would be a $17500 car, not well equipped. From there you would pay extra for the radio, power features etc..
but i will be the first to admit i dont understand GM pricing, and the overlap. As far as i could tell the cobalt and the aveo are aimed at the same buyer, its just one is available as a hatchback, and the other is a tradition coupe(with SS option). but the sedans overlap terribly, and the aveo cope overlaps the vibe.. so they all self compete which i think is part of GM strategy. (get them to buy a different one of our cars instead of a competitors)
oh, not starting an argument either, just nice to see a conversation going on here, i could be dead wrong with my thinking.
I was just going off there (GM's) way of priceing things.
Like you couldn't get a stripped Aveo with a turbo and a body kit, you would need to get the "SS" package and add stuff from there.
I priced them out with every thing, I'm sure a turbo engine wouldn't have an auto. tran's option.
Site wouldn't take readable pic's....
'09 Aveo LT2 4door & 5door were... $18,340
'09 Cobalt LT2 4 door was... $21,695
'09 Cobalt SS 4 door was... $ 24,765
When I did a search for window stickers I found some Cobalt SS's for $25,500
I still cant see why GM would even offer a turbo option. The car is aimed at the family that have a limited budget but need a new car. It is the same reason you will never see a F/I option for the Versa, Fit, Accent. In my opinion, a six speed would also be pointless. Perfect example of another pointless 6 speed is the Nissan Sentra SE-R. A proper geared 5 speed would be fine.
As far as the GM overlap goes, don't forget the Pontiac G6 and Saturn Ion
"I still cant see why GM would even offer a turbo option. The car is aimed at the family that have a limited budget but need a new car."
Agreed...
It wouldn't sell.
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Originally Posted by hyperacme
yeah, you are right, but what i was trying to say is it should be a base package. like LS and LT.
base on the AVEO5 and sedan:
ls... $12,625
lt1... $14,760
lt2... $16.025
base on the Cobalt:
coupe/sedan
LS... $16,330
1LT $17,130
2LT $19,630
SS $24,095
i would think/hope the SS package is a base package price, not a option or fully loaded price addition. But after looking at those numbers i think you might be right about were the turbo Aveo would price, based on the gap between the base cobalt 2lt and SS. when you figure the SS version of the cobalt is $7765 more than a base LS price. if you add that to the base Aveo, it would be $20,390 for their "SS" version. i think it would be more cost effective for them to follow the industry, and just swap in a Cobalt SS engine in them. although consumer demand isn't there, it could be a limited edition (since another company has shown them it could be done) i think between the two, i would send my current aveo off to get the cobalt SS swap done before forking out almost the same amount for the stock (and smaller) version.
But with the bail out, they aren't going to take any chances on things like that, the government wont allow it, so if the market isn't proven, dont expect the cars to be made anymore. i also think the overlap cars are going to start to diminish. but who knows.
I sure hope the corvette has been pulling in some nice profits the past few years...imagine chevy without a corvette?
AAAHHHH...Corvette's !
Again..Sorry I'm old and forget stuff...but C&D or R&T had an article on used Vettes.
Said one of the best buys is a C6 or C7...Remember I'm old and can't remember $h!t..body style which is like 1998 to 2004.
Price is something like $18 G's to $26 G's for a used one in good shape and there the deal of the week.
Your getting a $50 to $70 G car for the price of a Turbo Aveo !
I don't live and breath C&D or R&T but guy's I work with bring them in and I look through them and read the stuff that looks cool.
Was in getting my oil changed and wandered out in the lot to look at a $90+ G Vette. Had a tag on the fender "605HP" .
Sales lady came over and started talk'in facts and figures...Said the wheels and tires were a $ 12,000 option !
Which is what I paid for my Aveo before tax and etc.
C5 is the generation you are talking about. C6 would be the current generation.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyperacme
Thank you Sir...
I was close...LOL...