i did a little research on the internet and these plugs are the next great gas saving,energy efficient thing????? ordered a set at amazon.com,we shall see. :roll:
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i did a little research on the internet and these plugs are the next great gas saving,energy efficient thing????? ordered a set at amazon.com,we shall see. :roll:
scam...
Install iridiums and then you don't have to worry about them for over 100,000 miles.
E3's are junk. Good for a lawn mower and that's about it. NGK Iridium's would serve you well.
I'd agree with the others. I've seen dyno testing showing some plugs are better, but compared to what? The OEM plug thats been on the car for 50k miles? I think any new plugs will be better than old worn plugs.
I tested (got 'em free) some Pulstar plugs a while ago. No noticeable difference in power or mileage. One also went bad after approximately 1 year, so I threw my old plugs back in.
Last I heard, but haven't checked up on it, E3 isn't even offering/advertising the "DiamondFire" plug anymore?
They don't make any claims of increased FE or Power that I can see (anymore), and there's likely a good reason for that.
http://www.e3sparkplugs.com/ :shock:5yr-100,000 miles
The OEM NGK V-groove are like 2 bucks a piece. They work fine and I change um out every 30K. Very simple to access, and I can change them for less than an oil change.
With their failure rate, I wouldn't trust them that long.Quote:
Originally Posted by dleebold
LOL - I just pulled plugs from my F150 (Gerald) that must've been in there for 60k+ miles. They were standard copper core autolites, and they still ran the engine, even with .100+ gaps. (I just bought the truck from a girl who couldn't reach the oil dipstick... Surely, she didn't do anything to it.)Quote:
Originally Posted by AveoRob
I'm not really a fan of changing spark plugs for the most part. I feel that if they work, I should leave them in there. I do periodically pull them out, check/clean them, and re-check the gaps with feeler gauges.
LOL! So ou think we shouldn't spark plugs now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Unidentifiable
When did I mention that anyone else shouldn't change plugs? I was giving a personal account of what I do. I never claimed that it was the best way to do it, nor did I claim that anyone else should do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernAveo
You really should chill out a bit. You're bordering on troll status.
So ou think we shouldn't proper grammar now?
Oops! Must have a sticky key there. But thanks for being a child and proving who is being childish and desperate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unidentifiable
What I meant to say is that you must think that we shouldn't change spark plugs now seeing you think that it is not "necessary" but you state in other threads that it is more important to put a ricer intake on this little engine.
Here is where you more or less said it wasn't necessary.
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Originally Posted by Unidentifiable
Eh, I'll humor you on this one, even though nothing anyone says will make you think you're any further from being correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernAveo
1. I didn't explicitly (nor implicitly) state that anyone else should do what I do.
2. I stated that I, personally, do those things.
3. I never said it was important to put a ricer intake on any engine, let alone the one in the Aveo. I suppose you'll find a post where I "more or less" stated something which could be potentially equivalent, if read into far enough, though, so have at it.
4. When you do find that obscure set of words that you can manipulate out of context to make it seem like I meant to say what you're attempting to accuse me of saying, feel free to post it in as off-topic a fashion as possible, then back up your inane argument (whatever it may be) with it. It will make you feel more like a man, I promise. (You are male, right? If not, I apologize. I do feel that I should note that I've never met a female quite as combative or argumentative as yourself, though, which warrants the assumption that you're male.)
All you do is argue what you do yourself and it is actually quite funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unidentifiable
You argue against synthetic, yet you use it. Funny, why use it then?
You argue about spark plugs, yet you state you don't really like to change them. Funny, why argue about it if you aren't likeing to change them anyway.
You argue about intakes, yet you haven't installed one yourself. That's odd, why not go any buy one if they are so good.
I just find you rather humerous that you do't practise anything you argue about. In fact, I think you just like to argue for the sake arguing and then you call me out on being a "troll".
I on the other hand, use synthetic because I know it has benefits for fuel economy and engine protection. I know the benefits of changeing plug properly and I don't install unneeded intakes on a little tiny engine.
I walk the walk and talk the talk. You on the other hand, do neither.
/case closed
LMAO.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernAveo
You're perfect.
/troll ignored.
what do you do for a living? where have you been trained? what have you done personally or professionally to make the first to worth noting?Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernAveo
Ya see, my point proven.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unidentifiable
You made a fool of yourself by being a hypocrit and now yell troll like a little baby seeing you can't take the truth when someone doesn't agree with you.
It's pretty childish. Oh well.....
Once again fellas, useful info and respect.
You've never met my ex. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Unidentifiable
She's probably a bit like my current... [-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman AK907
But I digress.
Low low man, low blow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unidentifiable
I have you ignored, but since you missed that, and keep responding right after I post something, I decided to open this one and read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernAveo
For the record, no one is talking about you at this point. We've all moved on. Please do the same. And to excuse myself from your inevitable reply that you were defending my Wife by saying that I was being improperly rude toward her by posting that: She knows she's a bitch. She'd tell you before I would. And "combative" doesn't even begin to describe her at times.
lol, Wow.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Unidentifiable
I didn't say anything about your wife so please do the right thing and stop talking for me.
But i will digress by saying that you probably learned some of her traits.
Gentleman please, can we get back on topic? Bottom line is E3 plugs are garbage. A complete waste of money.
I agree. =D>Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman AK907
I took a peak at the website for these plugs, in my neverending journey for fuel economy/performance (impossible duo, but I shall succeed). Combining the information from my thread (Worse mileage with synthetic (and Bosch Platinum +4's)?), and this one, I gather that the consensus is "don't waste money on spark plugs that cost more than a couple bucks"?
Actually iridiums are a great deal seeing they last for over 100,000miles with one plug change.Quote:
Originally Posted by hooah212002
Another way to look at it is:Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernAveo
iridiums are 10 bucks each and last 100K
OEM NGK are 2 bucks each and last 30K (probably much more, but that is the recommended interval)
$2 x 5 = 10$
5 x 30K = 150K
So for the same 10 bucks a plug, you get 150K vs. 100K and you don't leave your plugs ini for a 100K interval, running the chance that the threads seize.
Interesting point Rob.
I've never personally had a problem with plugs seizing despite leaving them in for quite some time (over 100k). I suppose if you had doubts you could just loosen and retighten them every 30k or so.
I'm not really arguing for iridiums as I use copper plugs too. I do see the benefit for most people though as they usually don't do their own service on cars.
I haven't either, but have heard of itQuote:
Originally Posted by Daox
Yes my calculation does not take into account labor. That being the case and the 100K interval is cheaper, but this engine is soooo simple to change the plugs, and most people on this forum are probably changing their own plugs already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daox
I agree with Tim (Daox) about not changing plugs at 30k intervals. (At least I think that's what he's inferring).Quote:
Originally Posted by AveoRob
If the plug still fires, and it's a good, clean spark, there's no reason to change it, I feel. I clean them up (remember spark plug cleaners? Old gas stations used to have them...) and put them back in, after rechecking the gaps to account for erosion of the electrodes. If there is obvious wear to the outer electrode, I clip it and side-gap it, then keep it for later.
I don't think (with the exception of vehicles which were recently acquired by me) I've ever changed a whole engine's worth of plugs at once.
Yeah, kind of a different world up here. Platinum plugs do terrible in the cold. -60*F baby don't wanna start. [-X
About 30 years ago, my Father and GrandFather used to live in Eagle River (near it, actually.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman AK907
My Grand Father owned a restaurant, a cab company, and a garbage company.
Not sure of the name of the restaurant.
Cab company was Chevak Cab.
Garbage company was "RoseBud Refuse".
Ever heard of either of those? PM me so we can keep it out of the thread...
Anyway, I've heard stories about leaving cars run over night so they'd still be usable the next day... I know what you're talking about.
just ran a tank of gas with e3 plugs and got 35 mpg with them.before, the best i had gotten was 33 mpg.i also notice a performance increase.price at amazon.com was $18 dollars with free shipping. =D>
Lest ye be reminded that one tank of mileage increase is hardly able to be considered definitive, especially in this time of the year, when many stations are switching to stronger summer fuels, the air is warmer (less dense, less air resistance), etc.
There are lots of factors that can change your MPG, even by 5+ MPG for a single tank.
Now, if you get a few consecutive tanks and still are seeing the improvement, then you switch back to a new set of the old type of plugs (or just cleaned up/re-gapped old ones) and no longer see that improvement under the same conditions, you can definitively say that the E3 plugs are getting you better fuel economy in your situation for your vehicle, under your daily circumstances.
Yes, that's a lot of qualifiers, but they're all necessary to make the statement even close to accurate.
wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!! [-X